Avoid NET4India unless you already have gray hair

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27 Feb 2010

In this day and age of modern computing, Internet, CRM, TAT and many other buzzwords that define efficiency and customer satisfaction, it is rare to encounter a private sector company that makes you run pillar to post like Govt. Departments. Congratulations Net4India – You are up there with the worst examples of Indian bureaucracy.

A company for whom I provide IT Consultancy reserved 7 domains at Net4 a few years back and paid premium prices (this was before I was a consultant for them). Now that I am in charge, I wanna transfer the domains out to a registrar where it is easier to manage the domains.

What is wrong with Net4′s domain management system?

  • Net4′s login IDs are either cryptic numbers or even more cryptic alphanumeric names automatically assigned by them. It’s a devil remembering them. Apparently they have not yet caught on to using email-IDs or Open-IDs as login IDs.
  • Once logged in, the interface is inconsistent. Features like ‘Reopen ticket’ are visible in some pages and invisible in other related pages.
  • Domain management is very painful. To change Name Server (NS) entries you are required to type both the domain names and the IPs. Come on! Net4 can very well resolve the IPs themselves instead of forcing customers to ‘Open Command Prompt’ and run a ‘ping’ on the name-server address.
  • Requests for Auth Codes are an unending cycle of Trouble-tickets and angry emails. Unlike other registrars, Net4 does not reveal the Auth Code upon clicking the link. More on this later.
  • Net4′s pricing is way off the mark. Net4 currently charges Rs. 689/- to register a .IN domain for 1 year. Mitsu.IN charges Rs. 589/- and even a US Based registrar like GoDaddy.com charges 694/- and throws in Free 1GB email.

The Domain Transfer Saga

What started on 1st of February is yet to end! Five of the Seven domains were expiring on Feb 15 and I wanted them transferred out. Generally transfers happen within 3-5 days of putting in request and thus I clicked on the ‘Request Auth Code’ button at Net4. The onscreen message declared that my request would be processed soon. I thought, maybe they will email the Auth Code to me like .IN Domain Registrars used to do in 2006.

A few days later when I still had not heard from Net4, my brow started to crease. I filed an issue with their Trouble Ticket (TT) system. A day later I get a nasty-gram from them. The message stated that since there were less than 60 days remaining to domain expiry, they would not be issuing the Auth Code for domain transfers. They also ambiguously stated that it is there in their fine print.

Needless to say my B.P. was off-the-charts at such high-handed behaviour. So I sat down to study the fine print. Turns out:

  • Net4′s policy actually only forbids transfer-out of domains that have been registered in the previous 60 days. This is in line with prevalent policies.
  • Net4′s policy on Transfer-Outs is non-existent. A para appears at the end of Transfer-In FAQ that does not mention anything about transfers being denied due to less than 60 days remaining for expiry.
  • NIXI – The govt. body that administers the .IN domain too only forbids Transfer-outs for less than 60 days old domains. Transfer-outs are also forbidden in the event payment is due from domain owner to the registrar. In my case, the domains were fully paid up and there are no other pending transactions.

I opened another TT and wrote a strong message clearly highlighting the legal stand-point and Net4′s incorrect position. I wanted to attach all the documents that illustrated my points but could not since Net4 only allows attaching one document. When I clicked Submit, I got another nasty surprise. Turns out, Net4 only allows 1,000 characters in the message which grossly insufficient to frame replies that have legal standing. Technically too, even if the Web Server only allows 100 KB for ‘Post’, it is still 1,02,000 characters! Web hosting services like Godaddy allow 8,192 KB as post size (83,88,608 characters). Apparently Net4′s support staff can only digest 1,000 characters before they suffer from A.D.D.

One more TT later, they closed the thread saying the they had ‘Called & Spoken’ to the domain owner and cancelled the domain auth code requests as per his consent. When I called the domain owner, he told me that he only told Net4 to get in touch with me for all domain related issues.

Considering that less than 5 days were remaining for the domain expiry and the transfer attempt would fail even if I persisted with my request for domain transfer codes, I resigned and renewed the five domains at a princely Rs. 649/- per domain when every other Domain Registrar in the market charges only Rs. 549/- for domain renewals.

Congratulations NET4. You have just caused a legitimate business loss to your client.

Two of the Seven domains are expiring in April & November respectively. To minimize hassles with hooligans like Net4, I opted to obtain their Auth Codes and thus began yet another paragraph in this article.

After duly clicking the completely useless ‘Get Auth Code’ button, I put in a TT requesting Auth Codes for the two domains. A day later the resolution is that ‘we tried to contact you, however we could not get through’. This time they asked me for the phone number (mine was already mentioned in the TT and domain owner’s telephone & email are correctly mentioned in the Domain records. And they could not contact us? They did succeed previously when canceling an Auth Code request without authorization.

I bit down my frustration at having to deal with such a brain-dead company, wrote another TT asking them the auth-codes, the reason for the auth-codes and the specified the phone numbers. This time my client received emails containing the auth codes for the domains.

I logged into Mitsu.in, initiated and paid for the transfer of both domains only to get a message from Mitsu an hour later stating that the supplied auth code is incorrect. I can swear that I copied-pasted the Auth Codes from Net4′s email into Mitsu’s Domain Transfer Page correctly. Since I have been practicing Copy-Paste for the last 19 years (Starting with Windows 2.0), I am pretty good at it and cannot explain the wrong auth code.

Unless there is another explanation – Net4 sent me incorrect Auth Codes to stall the domain transfers yet again.

Another TT to Net4 and another day later, I get the same parrot message – “… we tried to contact you, however we could not get through hence we request you to kindly provide the contact number and kindly specify the reason for the authcode request …”

By fluke, I spotted a button to Re-Open my TT and chose to submit the required telephone number and reason. Yet another mistake. Turns out that posting a reply in re-open thread only allows for 100 characters as reply! Come On!! Even SMS messages allow 160 characters. In any case, I somehow managed to include the name and two phone numbers of my client and also the reason for the transfer in 100 characters. Phew!

The reply to my TT is that “… coordination is underway and we will be soon addressing your requirement …”

The saga continues … Half of my hairs which are still black are joining their white cousins.

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18 Responses to Avoid NET4India unless you already have gray hair

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Amit

March 12th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

Shiiittt! you are scaring me man! I just put in a ‘TT’ (lol) requesting an authorization code for my domain and it expires in 15 days!!

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Gokul

March 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm

Same story here…Complete crap customer care..I am trying for past 10 days..
My Account manager (only i came to know now) bargaining with me to not giving auth code and says service will be good in future..

Please dont register even single domain with Net4..

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From_Chennai

March 28th, 2010 at 6:18 am

Man, Net4 Sucks. you told your well.
I have been their customer for an 1 year and it has been one of the top nightmares in my life. i would say theyir staff is worst that a 3rd rated bureaucratic government official
They rap*d me completely and i suffered business losses
My Sincere suggestion is to allow your domain names to expire to to register new domains from godaddy.

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Antony Mathews

April 2nd, 2010 at 10:29 pm

Net4.in is one of the most fraudulent company in the world. Beware of Net4.in (Previously Net4India.com).

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Akshay Khanna

April 9th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

Net4India is a fraud company. Typical Delhi based company run by crooks. I faced exactly the same issues of domain transfer as mentioned by Rajib above. But I have reported the matter to In Registry.

STAY AWAY FROM NET4INDIA.

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Rajesh Advani

April 28th, 2010 at 11:27 am

Agreed. I have problems transferring the domain names to other company, coz it will be problem for my clients to keep their website for few days until domain is successfully transferred. Is there a solution? Let me know.

Also, read reviews on mouthshut.com, where I had putmy experiences with these fraudsters and also sent t a link to net4, but you know they are thick skin and every word will fall deaf ears.

Anyway, I too would like to shift all my domains (24 nos.) to other registrar, who is better? let me know.

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Rajib Ghosh

April 28th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

Hi Rajesh,

Cannot tell you how much trouble I am continuing to have with Net4. Now it turns out that customers who have registered domains through Tata Indicom were actually processed through Net4.
My client whose domain was purchased through Tata is now stuck with absolutely no clue on how to move forward. Tata has washed their hands off saying we will provide you with Net4 Id. Net4 has not yet responded. I think we all know how my clients recent domain renewal went – we paid 100/- over market price for every domain registered with Tata.

Since the last 3 years I am using Mitsu.in (an accredited registrar) and I am quite happy with their pricing and customer support.

HTH

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Ankur Didwania

June 16th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

Hi,

I gave my website development to focusmediainfotech which in turn bought the domain named jjindia.com from net4u. Now i have discontinued my contract with focusmediainfotech and got my domain renewed directly from net4u.But now problem is that i can not access my domain as according to net4u the domain name have been blocked by focusmediainfotech using some master controll or so …I want to ask that is this possible as i have not shared my new password and id with the focusmedia and the customer support is of net 4 is really pathetic so can any help me out ???????

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Rajib Ghosh

June 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

Dear Ankur,

In my experience, Net4India does not care about it’s customers. It does not clearly document processes that customers can follow for resolution of their problems nor does it provide customer care that can resolve issues. All it’s customer care does is copy-paste text from some file in response to your queries and they don’t even bother to read your question which already provides details they are asking for.

FYI, the registrant of your domain name is “Jai Kumar”, Organisation: JJ India and email is set to: infotech@focusmediamail.com

Hopefully Jai Kumar is a person belonging to your organisation since the registrant email ID is incorrect. In the absence of accurate domain registrant information, you cannot claim domain ownership and resolve issues. Try and execute the following:
1. File a support ticket with Net4India to change Registrant Details to yours. You may be required to Fax/Scan-Email supporting documents.
2. I am assuming that your new website is no longer hosted with FocusMedia. In that case, obtain the NameServer details from your new hosting company and ask Net4India to change the NameServer records of your domain.

In my experience Net4India will try every tactic in the book to block your requests and will make it impossible for you to transfer away your domains. Use every means at your disposal – phone, fax, email & registered letters to get your requests across to them.

HTH

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Akshay Khanna

June 20th, 2010 at 9:17 am

An Update.

I had 3 domains registered with them. Had tough time transferring 2 of them. But there were no hassles in transferring the third one. I had put in the request for the auth code couple of days ago and to my surprise I received the code on email yesterday. There were no telephone calls, no follow up, no explanations.. nothing. There was another surprise when the code was accepted at Go Daddy which does not happen usually as Net 4 is known to provide wrong auth codes initially.

If you notice, recently there has been a change in control panel at Net 4 and it seems things have improved.

Anyway, I am lucky I just had 3 domains with them and all of them have been transferred out to Go Daddy.

Goodbye Net 4.

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Yousuf

July 20th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

these people are useless scarps only because they are staying in india they can do business. I paid my renewal fees after a month i came to know that my doman is expired. the answer from the complaint section of net 4 domain was “sir you have to re register you domain we are sorry for our mistake” if i had time i should have made them pay all my losses due to their caresless attitude. the policy of net4 india is get advance payment from customer and ignore them”

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Rajib Ghosh

July 21st, 2010 at 9:20 am

Hi Yousuf,

Sorry to hear that yet another customer is suffering due to Net4India’s callousness.

Recently, my client who had registered his domain through Tata (which in turn uses Net4 for this job) had his domain get knocked off the Internet for 5 days!

Needless to say, my client suffered immensely as his emails bounced and his business’s reputation was questioned.

Regards

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Saurabh Patel

July 21st, 2010 at 12:24 pm

guys you’ve scared the hell out of me!!!!
I am not a web designer or consultant. I just got a free domain name with my Tata Broadband connection. And now when renewal is due and I’ve decided to transfer to godaddy I’ve been dispatching emails after emails to Tata customer care, with no headway in obtaining auth code but only continued insistence from Tata to transfer to their in2biz.in reagistrar…

Just afraid that my story is gonna end up like so many of yours

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Rajib Ghosh

July 22nd, 2010 at 12:42 am

Dear Saurabh,

Getting the Auth Codes out of TATA can be a bitch.
They depend on Net4 to interact with the customer and their standard line on telephone and email support is “we tried to reach you but your phone was switched off”.

I suggest that you don’t give up and keep emailing them daily; escalating them quickly to Nodal Officer and Tata Headoffices.
I am in the process of launching a formal complaint against Net4 at Nixi. I hope I can count on your signature when the time comes.

Regards

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Saurabh Patel

July 27th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

You have my siggy for the complaint :)
In fact the internet is full their fed up customers…

All I have managed thus far is getting a CRN ID which isn’t of any use as I need to be net4india customer to login via it.

Since I don’t have any brand value attached to my domain, I’m gonna register a new one with GoDaddy. I hope they are better than these *****

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Vikram

July 29th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

Hi,

Can anyone tell me which is the best hosting company in India.
I just want to register a domain & host a simple website & with 4 to 5 business email ids. Thanks — Vikram

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Rajib Ghosh

July 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

Hi Vikram,

I will whole-heartedly recommend Mitsu.in for domain registration. While Mitsu also provides web hosting and email hosting, I would recommend that you go for ‘Deluxe Hosting’ at GoDaddy for web-hosting and use Google Accounts for emails.

GoDaddy Deluxe Hosting allows hosting of unlimited websites. You can get a good deal on the hosting price by using GoDaddy Discount Coupons (look for an article on this on this site).

Google Apps allows you to create 50 Email IDs of 7 GB each for domains that you own. You can also consider Microsoft Live to create email IDs for your domains.

HTH

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